Why Am I Creating Capital? To Solve the Gender Investing Gap

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This week, Personal Capital hosted its inaugural Creating Capital event in Denver. It was a career and investing panel featuring the founder and CEO of Valley Girl, Jesse Draper, the COO of GoGirl Finance, Rebecca Jackson, and our very own head of business development, Catha Mullen.

Our goal in hosting the panel was really to start a conversation. The questions on our minds: what should we make of all the data showing women earn, save and invest less than men? What are the money issues that women may not know how to begin to ask? And as a company, how might we create a low-risk environment for people to ask and to share – to have a real dialogue?

I speak for the employees of Personal Capital who attended Creating Capital to say we were totally blown away by the energy and engagement of the professional Denver women who attended the event. In particular, we were impressed by the eagerness with which people wanted to engage in the conversation. Check out the event slideshow:

I’ve written up a re-cap of the event to try to capture the magic of the evening. But before I launch into that, I’ll start by sharing a little more data about the gender investing gap. Why might women need a different approach, you may ask?

Wages, Investing, and Confidence.

The Wage Gap has garnered plenty of media attention recently. Studies have shown that women earn 77 cents per every dollar a man earns, on average. According to Harvard economist Claudia Golden, that discrepancy is larger when you only look at college graduates: 65 cents on the dollar. Yikes.

But it doesn’t stop there. More men report that they are saving: 61% versus 50% of women, according to a study on GoGirl Finance. Studies of millions of 401ks have revealed that women invest 58 cents per ever dollar a man invests in his 401k. It turns out, the investing gap is worse than the wage gap.

There are lots of possible explanations for the investing gap. And there’s undoubtedly a lot more work we need to do to uncover, or “prove” the real reason(s). But there’s one hypothesis that we believe is worth investigating: perhaps the gender gap is due to a confidence gap.

Journalists Katty Kay and Claire Shipman write about a gender confidence gap in the cover story of the April Atlantic (2014). They use behavioral studies, reviews of personnel files and biological evidence to present a compelling case for why a gender confidence gap might exist and lead to the wage gap. The authors state: “Compared with men, women don’t consider themselves as ready for promotions, they predict they’ll do worse on tests, and they generally underestimate their abilities.”

Could a confidence gap also impact our ability to invest? American women are 44 percent less likely than American men to consider themselves financially knowledgeable, even though they are virtually just as literate. Even among affluent women who are incredibly successful in terms of income and wealth, 41% are “not at all” confident in their ability to invest.

Creating Capital: Starting a Conversation

Jack Welch said “Giving people self-confidence is by far the most important thing that I can do. Because then they will act.”  The idea behind Creating Capital is to empower women through learning, perspective and conversation. With that in mind, we thought hosting a fun panel with some inspiring women would be a good place to start.

On our inspiring panel:

  • Jesse Draper, a fearless founder and CEO of Valley Girl TV show, who flew in from filming in San Francisco to share her story of taking big risks.
  • Rebecca Jackson, COO of GoGirl Finance, shared with us her pursuit of meaning through finance (leaving Wall Street to educate others) and how her spending and savings habits have adapted over time.
  • Catha Mullen, our very own Head of Business Development, who told her story of moving from Wall Street to Personal Capital and how she’s thought about taking on new and bigger responsibilities after Stanford’s Graduate School of Business.

We were honored that Paul Washington kicked off the event representing the Denver Mayor’s office as the Executive Director of the Office for Economic Development. Paul said the over 100 women and men in attendance was proof of what an important topic personal finance is. Here’s a picture of Paul with our panel.

Paul Washington and Panel

We first talked careers. We asked the panel about how they approach having those big conversations with a boss. Catha said: “It’s not always obvious timing when you should ask for a raise or promotion.” When asked about what to do at a company without a rulebook, she said “write the rulebook!”  Jesse reiterated that sometimes taking risks means acting when the time might not feel right. When it comes to launching a company, for instance, Jesse said: “No time will feel like exactly the right time.” But if you have conviction, there comes a time when you have to “just dive in!”

Then, our panelists shared stories on how careers are intertwined with finances. Rebecca Jackson, who was a New York financial services vet before joining GoGirl Finance as COO, said, “I have had a personal finance lobotomy since leaving Wall Street”. Rebecca said she thought of money mostly in terms of her paycheck. She said, “On Wall Street, I got good at asking for money but, I wasn’t good at putting that raise away!” Rebecca said that because women live longer than men, we need to pay extra attention to our retirement accounts.  She reminded us to max out 401k for employer match and not to spend all of that raise.

Rebecca said that using the Personal Capital app helped her re-focus from income to long-term wealth. Seeing her Net Worth in the Dashboard was a wake-up call. Rebecca now uses the app to have quarterly check-ins with her husband on spending. She also shared a personal trick that works well whereby they create judgment-free zones so she can buy leopard-print shoes and he can spend at REI!

Panel

The panelists agreed that with personal finance decisions, there are times when it’s important to get a second opinion. Seeking an expert view is one way to go: “A financial advisor can provide valuable guidance,” said Jesse. Another is doing your research. Catha prompted the audience to take advantage of digital tools and spend a little time “on Google.” And finally, your friends can be great resources for – and recipients of – personal finance intelligence. Rebecca said not to feel intimidated by know-it-all colleagues or friends. “It’s easy to make mistake that if someone’s earning lots, they’ve got their financial ducks in a row – not always!”

Following the panel was a thirty-minute Q&A that ended up being both questions for the panelists (such as “when do I ask for a raise if it’s not obvious?” and “how do I think about the trade-off between paying down my student debt and investing?”) and stories shared by participants (“don’t underestimate the importance of a rainy-day fund!”).

On our photo wall, we asked people to fill in “I’m #CreatingCapital for…” and we heard:

  • #CreatingCapital for Equality
  • #CreatingCapital for my Future
  • #CreatingCapital for Financial Freedom
  • #CreatingCapital to do Good + Give Back
  • #CreatingCapital for Launching my Dream
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Creating Capital: Continuing the Conversation

My favorite was “#CreatingCapital for Peace of Mind.” That’s the reason I joined Personal Capital. It recognizes money is an intensely private thing. The app is completely secure and it actually helps you figure out what to do in a risk-free zone. You can see your current net worth – in the privacy of the software. You can also get a check-up on your asset allocation – without feeling judged. The app makes recommendations for you, and you can work with an advisor to implement the changes. Plus, you have someone to call for tricky questions like rolling over a 401k or opening a 529 for your kids.

I believe Personal Capital is uniquely situated to help solve the women’s investing gap. It not only combines awesome digital apps with individual advice – creating safe spaces to learn about money – but the company is fiercely committed to changing the paradigm of traditional financial services to make it convenient and accessible for customers (designed around their needs). While we’ve still got work to do to “solve” the gender investing gap, I think Creating Capital was a great step in the direction.

To sum it up, Creating Capital is about:

  • Creating conversation – sharing ideas, stories and tips
  • Creating confidence – we are more financially literate than we think
  • Creating goals – financial advice depends on what you want

And finally, in the spirit of conversation, what do you think? Speak up! We’d love to hear from you. What questions do you have? What ideas do you have to solve the gender investing gap? What does Creating Capital mean to you?

Photo Credit: Kiem Vu

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Kate Lawless

Kate Lawless

Kate is fiercely dedicated to solving the retirement crisis in America and helping women tackle money issues. She was a VP in the Office of the President and Chief Operating Officer at BlackRock before leaving to Harvard, where she's currently pursuing her JD and MBA degrees.

4 comments

  1. George

    My wife is very frugal and good with her spending habits…she does not fall for vanity consumerism and I really love that about her. I can leave her with 10 credit cards and know that she will have the same spending habits and never buy anything unnecessarily. She very smart, intelligent, hard working and independent. She will be a full time doctor in a year after completing her residency so we’ll expect higher income.

    However, she has no interest (zero, 0) in investing. I try to get her excited, explain fundamentals, show her real life issues people have due to lack of savings, investment, or retirement issues. To get her to show some interest, I explain our investments, how the growing dividends produce passive income etc. But she finds it boring. She is also very vary of the stock market but she’s grown more comfortable after seeing our investments grow and produce income. However she was very much against me and apprehensive initially when all the savings from my income went to stocks. But I managed to explain to her how I’m dollar cost averaging all the way to retirement and we have enough cash doing nothing in the bank to provide 2 years worth of expenses to serve as an emergency fund.

    Before I married her, her savings was in a 401K sitting in cash. She didn’t max out her 401K either though she got all the company match she could. I’m the one who does all the investing, manage our budgets, goals and investment decisions. All the money from my salary goes into stocks and it has been performing well during this bull market. Her salary savings are being saved as an emergency fund and also a down payment for a home in two years.

    I notice the same with her sisters too though their husbands are not as passionate about investing and managing money like me. Her dad though does have some interest. I’m just wondering, is she just not interested and there is nothing I can do. Because of this, I’ve come off with the impression that maybe women just don’t find money management and investing interesting enough to take control of it themselves. Maybe the same can be said of guys too…. or maybe I’m just too engrossed in personal finance and investing. When I read your blog post, I came of with the impression that women do really have interest in this kind of stuff.

    Both of us come have a recent immigrant history. Her dad immigrated in the early 70s and she is a US born citizen while I immigrated to the US 7 years ago. I just feel she is old school where you just save and save and save and getting interest was just by product.

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    • Kate Lawless

      Kate Lawless

      George – so great that #CreatingCapital resonates with you, and thanks for sharing your story. Hearing about your wife’s cash-heavy portfolio, I wonder if her conservative investing is because she has “zero interest” in it, or because “she’s very wary of the stock market”, as you say. Maybe, instead of being disinterested, she is wise to be wary. If she’s a super smart doctor-to-be and knows the value of expertise, she may want to wait to make informed decisions. I agree, 100% cash allocation is actually riskier than a well-diversified portfolio in retirement accounts. But your wife may also just personally have a lower risk tolerance – which is not to say a worse one. It all depends on your goals. Sounds like you are both lucky to have such open conversations about personal finance with your partner. For those who don’t have an investing enthusiast in their life, my hope is that Personal Capital can serve as a similar sounding board and confidence booster. Cheers, Kate.

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  2. Financial Samurai

    Looks like a fantastic event! Great job ladies! It definitely seems like these type of events really embolden people to discuss, learn, and care more about their finances. Finance is intimidating sometimes, and having a group of people who openly support each other is fantastic.

    Best,

    Sam

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  3. Jena

    Hi Kate! I just stumbled upon this article and absolutely love what you ladies put together in Denver. I would love to connect with you over email – specifically to pick your brain on women in the Bay Area who are very knowledgeable on this exact topic – women, finance, investing, etc. Can you email me? Thanks so much! [email protected]

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